'I increasingly noticed that organizations were trying to reinvent the wheel themselves,' says Kremer, who, like De Vries, has been active in the world of risk management, security and privacy for years. 'Not infrequently this led to all kinds of problems such as incorrect access to data, inconsistent data or, from a broader perspective, lack of insight and coherence in threats, vulnerabilities, risks and management measures. While these problems can be relatively easily prevented. Simply because there is a lot of relevant information available in various places about, for example, norms, standards and best practices. On Perium, all that available information is shared and, within certain limits, made accessible to everyone. And yes, that saves time, effort and thinking. And so it makes it significantly easier for organizations to increase their resilience to risks and threats.'